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Posted 2nd September 2009 12:13


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That orange thing gave me a good laugh.  The Segway looks pretty cool to me, but that just reminds me of a panny-farthing with all the attendant instability fore-and-aft.  I found the reference I was looking for, and it's rubbish.  It was in a copy of Bike from 1993, and referred to a vane engine being developed by a chap called James Wallace.  It was alleged to be 70x200mm in size, and Yamaha (not Suzuki) had donated a carbon-fibre frame to assist in its development as a bike engine.  That was 16 years ago, and Google shows nothing relating to this engine and that name, so I guess it must have died the death.

We have a bathroom and a shower room, so we are each able to colonise one and have our own reading material.  The bathroom has Argos catalogues, Good Housekeeping and the Saturday colour mags from the papers; the shower room has - well - work it out for yourself.

Hehe.

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Posted 3rd September 2009 22:08


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...think I can guess...!

Today: concept bikes. They get trotted out every year, and every year I think...what is the point? I can't think of any, off the top of my head, that have made it to production in anything like the shape of the original concept (although the original Suzuki Katana sprins to mind, I'm not sure it was ever shown as a "concept").

Anyway, there they are, perfectly shaped for all manner of non-humanoid beings, dripping with impractical technology that noone ever puts on a road bike and with all the general charm and style of a baboon's big red hairy @rse. Is it a running joke between manufacturers, I wonder? Can there be another, more rational explanation for the likes of these...

The 1987 Suzuki Nuda, complete with suede-covered tailpiece.

The Kawasaki 2004 ZZR-X, made with real Lego. Note handlebars mounted under the tank, for maximum inconvenience.

Honda's 2005 DN-01 800cc automatic bike/scooter. Perfect for midgets with really, really long arms and no taste at all.

Yamaha's Luxair of 2007. Like a big gold canal boat with a wheel at each end.

They're not even the worst offenders, as they do at least look something like a motorcycle (however impractical), from the big 4. It takes privateers to do the truly ridiculous:

Like this. The Victory Vision of 2006. Apparently marrying the front end of a Mallard locomotive and the back end from a Peugeot Streetfight. Must be so much fun trying to see traffic, road signs, small buildings etc in front of you...

Does anyone ever look at these and say: if only they'd produce them, I'd buy one?

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Posted 4th September 2009 07:55


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I'm pretty sure the BKing started off as a concept bike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_B-King

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Posted 5th September 2009 10:26


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They always look to me like the things that skoolboys draw on the back of their maths books: all style and graphic fantasy, with no nod to the function at all. In a way, this is why I prefer bikes to cars, and bikes like the Norton (above) to plastic rockets. Function should dictate the form, always. Anything else is just skoolboy dicking around. Look at the newer BMW cars, with their 'angry owl' headlights, or the new Audis with the LED eyebrows. 'Look, Mum, the car's got a face!' 'Yes, dear, and it looks jolly cross - best stay out of its way!' Complete d1ckchomping self-aggrandising fvckwittery. (There. Let's see if the sweary filter finds those.)

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Posted 6th September 2009 01:24


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Guess you don't like those stupid LED eyeliners either! They'd look so much - well, not better, but at least a bit less rubbish if they were continuous rather than join-the-dots.

I like my bikes to be the product of engineers, not French kitchen appliance designers (for anyone who remembers Starck's so-desperately pretentious Aprilia Moto' 6.5) or art-school doodles from people who watched Akira too many times. It's quite rare even for "automotive designers" to come up trumps - for every Suzuki Katana, there's a laugh-out-loud Morbidelli V8. Which I have to include, as I haven't chuckled at one for a while:

Nice. Who wouldn't be proud to have coughed up £100,000 (really!) for one of these...? Designed by Pininfarina, of all people.

I'll happily take the plastic - fairings are pretty useful, after all - but only if it's wrapped round something that works the way it should. And isn't so ugly that small children burst into tears at the sight of it.

Trick - you're right about the B-King starting life as a concept, and it kinda supports my point of "what is the point?". The "Boost-King" originally was so named because it used a supercharged Hayabusa engine, a 240-section rear tyre and had more built-in electronics than you could shake a stick at. Including fingerprint recognition ignition, built-in satnav and a million other innovations. That was 2001, and it was going to be a monster - when it was finally released as a proddie model in 2007, it had lost all of that, along with the more radical styling touches and become...well, a fairly ordinary UJM. Like every other manufacturer's big post-retro-naked offering, it simply took the standard top-of the-range big sports engine (the Hayabusa, in this case) and, as it's a Suzuki, added the three-way power switch (to emasculate it down to a 600, for anyone who wanted the kudos but couldn't handle the power) from the GSXR range. All the unique stuff that made the concept a hard-as-nails Mad Max road missile just vanished. Now it might as well be a Yamaha XJR1300, a Honda CB1300 or even a Suzuki GSX1400. But they did keep a similar look, to fool the punters...

Concept and production models, respectively. Sum total innovation: zero...it's just a styling exercise. Or what manufacturers, if they were being honest, would call a "new model" rather than a "concept"!

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Posted 13th September 2009 00:35


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Again, not particularly "mad", but rather epitomising the way "concept" bikes never actually get into true production: the Yamaha MT-01. Started life as the potential successor to the V-max, debuting at the Tokyo show in 1999 as a stripped-to-the-bone torque monster that was basically just an excuse to hang a 1600cc cruiser engine in the tiniest of chassis. So far, so good. Until it finally surfaced in 2005, minus most of the good bits:

(Concept and production, respectively). The proddie version is distinguished by having 1670cc, producing a feeble sub-90 hp (although, to be fair, an eye-watering amount of torque). The uber-naked looks have been filled in, particularly with that hideous "Transformers - robots in disguise" face between the cylinders. The rear shock is now conventionally placed, but they hung on to the incredibly impractical exhausts...weird. In fact, despite the monstrous engine, it's basically not as good as a V-max. Buy it only if you need bragging rights on cubic capacity.

It came to my attention, in fact, when a work colleague announced he wanted to get back into biking (inexperienced rider, hung up his lid a number of years ago after falling off an Eliminator 400) and had decided the MT-01 was the way to go. And whilst I consider it a pretty underpowered old slug of a thing, anything that hefty and with that much torque is always going to be a bit of a handful for the unwary. My advice was forget it, look in the middleweight-ish streetbike bracket for the moment. He did actually paddle one around on a dealer forecourt, briefly...before leaving a deposit on a Yamaha Fazer (and was pleased as Punch about it, too - good for 'im)!

So there's the question - it's a bike that's pitched towards the experienced rider, but doesn't really compete at any level with anything else out there. So, ground-breaking trailblazer, or naff white elephant? You decide...

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Posted 16th September 2009 20:04


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Anything that tries to 'look like' something (Transformers and hostile insects seem to be favourite themes at the moment) gets ignored by me. Let form follow function and all will be well. Put the stylists ahead of the engineers and the result is always a schoolboy's wet dream rather than a 'proper' bike. Funny, though - that first attempt at the style in the left-hand picture reminds me very much of a Buell ...

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Posted 18th September 2009 01:32


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Nail and head, there. The Yamaha engineers allegedly took the Buell design brief and tried to better it, although apparently without Erik's flair for making the combination of big V-twin and streetfighter into something appealing. There again, Mr Buell is an engineer first...

Something rather more down-to-earth today. It's been pictured in a number of places, most recently in a sort of purplish colour, but this baby is a hand-built project from somewhere in deepest Russia. No idea what the specs are, although it's obviously a bitsa wrapped around some sort of V8. But that, to me, is what a project bike should be - handmade in someone's shed, not the product of wads of cash being chucked at a specials builder to make something unique on the owner's behalf. It may be ugly (actually, I don't think there's much doubt on that) and crudely put together, but you gotta respect that the bloke actually built it at all. Presumably on a very tight budget, and without much regard for smoothing out welds! Anyway, I rather like it:



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Posted 18th September 2009 10:49


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Mmmmm ... chopping the Pan for one of those before my next long trip

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Posted 30th September 2009 23:39


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Browsing the weird and wonderful world on the web eventually brought me to this site... www.dieselbike.net. Both fascinating, and utterly full of loons whose entire purpose in life is apparently to shoehorn some mismatched cycle parts and a car engine together, before meeting up in a large field somewhere.

As ever, in the niche world of themed specials builders, the entire spectrum of quality and competency is represented, from the Track T800 production model:

- which is quite reminiscent of the Suzuki V-Strom in looks - to this, erm, whatever-it-is:

...which has a 2bhp motor and a working winch (!) and is apparently completely rideable.

I don't know that it fills me with the urge to strap a Citroen engine to my busted TDM, but it is quite a fascinating site. Nice to know that innovation is out there, even if some it very closely resembles an evolutionary dead-end.

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