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Posted 31st August 2008 14:22
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Hi!

My name's Roop, I'm 26 and live near Winchester. I feel like I'm probably a bit old to be just starting to get into biking, so apologies for being an old fart! I'm rather ashamed to admit that I'm primarily interested in getting a bike because I've found commuting the 12 miles to work in my knackered old BMW 525 is costing me a lot more in fuel than I'd like it to be. To remedy this, I bought a Honda Vision 50cc scooter which was a great deal cheaper to run, but is horrendously crap and riding it on the mainly fast "A" road route to work feels unwise... consequently, I'm in the process of doing my CBT (well, I've booked it anyway) and I'm looking for a sub-125cc geared bike that will be able to hustle me along at a more sensible speed.

Now for my question: Why is there such a difference in the relative prices of a used cars and used bikes? How come I can buy a knackered, but still road legal old car from about £200 (or less if scrap value suddenly plummets) but even old bikes which have been declared SORN, have no MOT and may not even run tend to go for £300+?

I'm not really complaining, because I stand to save at least a four figure sum by switching to a bike, but I'm curious. Thanks!
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Posted 31st August 2008 22:26


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Welcome Roop.

Shouldn't worry too much about age - 26 isn't old for bikers (even first-timers) these days. At least you're not waiting for a mid-life crisis to get onto two wheels, whatever the reason behind it.

I think you'll find it's simple market forces in action, driven by three things. Firstly, there are fewer bikes than cars around, so less competition in selling them. Secondly, bike spares are proportionately more expensive than cars (partly because of reason 1), so even a wreck has a comparatively higher breaking value: this is compounded by quite a lot of bike owners being happy to do some of their own mechanical repairs and hence needing to source parts. Thirdly, there's a lot more in the way of bolt-ons attached to the average bike - particularly exhausts - but with even sports racks and suchlike being aftermarket extras, owners tend to try and recoup those costs.

It doesn't always work in the buyer's favour at the cheap end of the market, but if you look at anything over a couple of grand, the bang-per-buck ratio definitely works in the bike's favour. You won't get an equivalent-performance supercar for the price of a secondhand Fireblade...

It's still possible to find a bike for absolute pennies on eBay or at auction, though, if cash is a problem.

By the way, if you're just commuting and not particularly fussed about style, the best all-round learner bike in the known universe is the Honda CG125.

>> ex silens nox noctis <<

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Posted 1st September 2008 15:02
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Roop-you're never too old to get into biking and you're not even old!

On the prices-you will have to pay more fpor a sub 125vv bike, as they're learner legal. Go for a Honda CG125, as they are pretty bullet proof. You should be able to get a good one for £300-700.

Once you have your test, things become much easier. There ARE cheap bikes out there. In my local Friday Ad last week, there was a 1981 GS250 for little more than £200. All road legal, if tatty. Look for less popular bikes. Kwak GT550 and GT750s go for peanuts, for example. They don't look pretty, but they are solid machines and have shaft drive. You can get a decent BMW K100 for less than a grand. Motoguzzi v50's in good nick often sell for about £600.

On the slightly better end, Things like SV650s often go for sub £1500, in excellent condition and they arte nice little bikes that you can tour on. Early Hinckley Triumphs often fetch little more than £1000 or so, sometimes less. Kawasaki zx9s arte often cheap. I could go on...

Try Ebay for really cheap stuff, too.

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Posted 1st September 2008 20:33


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Cripes! An old fart at 26? What does that make me, at over twice his age? A prehistoric trouser-trumpet?

+1 to the GC125, though. Much better than a scoot on a main road, and plenty of real-bike fun, if at a fairly modest level.

And if anyone sees a half-way decent Guzzi V50 for £600, want to know about it!

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Posted 1st September 2008 20:55
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Thanks for the warm welcome and the informative replies! I appreciate the advice, and as it happens I've been watching a couple of CG125s on ebay. Doubtless I'll manage to buy something dangerously broken and come on here in a few weeks asking how to fix it!
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Posted 1st September 2008 20:57
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And if anyone sees a half-way decent Guzzi V50 for £600, want to know about it!

Loads out there!!!. You can always buy my Spada 2. But that would be £1550 ovno...

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Posted 22nd September 2008 20:14
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Well, I took your advice and purchased £300 worth of CG125:



The good news is; no rust and only 14k miles, plus it's very clean and has lots of shiny new bits. However, as you can see one of the struts was mounted upside down. "No problemo", I thought to myself, removing it and turning it up the other way. Unfortunately, one of the dome nuts was completely munched, no doubt due to someone wanting to make damn sure their strut didn't come off (despite it being upside down). "No problemo", I though to myself as I reached for my nuts and had a good rummage around.

Several hours later, I had to admit defeat. The spindles look like M10, but they're not! Anyone got any ideas what size I should be trying to force on?
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Posted 23rd September 2008 00:04


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Congratulations on your purchase. Nice to see someone fitted usd suspension to it - although front forks are more traditional...!

Looks like a W model of some sort: very late 90s, perhaps? In which case it's quite possibly an M10 fitting but at a finer pitch (domes, I believe are usually 1 - 1.25, whereas M10 standard is pitched at 1.5). Might be worth a trip to your local DIY shop, if you haven't got anything like that lying about in the shed - or a Honda dealer'd probably post one to you for little extra cash, if there isn't one locally. Unless you've already tried all that, of course...?

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Posted 23rd September 2008 17:54
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Nice to see someone fitted usd suspension to it - although front forks are more traditional...!


It was only upside down on one side!

[quote]endemoniada_88 (23/09/2008)

Looks like a W model of some sort: very late 90s, perhaps? In which case it's quite possibly an M10 fitting but at a finer pitch (domes, I believe are usually 1 - 1.25, whereas M10 standard is pitched at 1.5).[/quote]

Yeh, it's a 1999 W model. Now that you mention it, the thread does look to be a finer pitch compared to an ordinary M10 nut. I think I'll ebay a set from a breaker... I've already trawled the local DIY places and I've no idea where my nearest Honda dealer would be.

Thanks for the advice!
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Posted 28th September 2008 20:26
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Suspension nut issue has been resolved painlessly, thanks to a very helpful ebayer.

A quick test ride revealed that all is working, but prompted me to ask a couple more questions:

The choke lever is on the carb, right under the tank, making me think I'm not really supposed to be touching it whilst I'm riding. Is it purely intended to be used whilst stationary, for warming the bike up in cold weather?

There's a fairly loud, resonating hum from the petrol tank at certain rpm. Should I experiment with reseating it on its mounts, or is it to be expected?

Thanks!
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