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Hey guys, IV just set up a new company in the north east of England with motorbikes imported from china they are all rebranded under my company name. The bikes are top quality and are made by zongshen who make Harley Davison parts so not your usually china crap. The two models are both 125cc the first one is partly based on KTM, and the second one is a small pit bike. both road legal, Please tell me what you think of them? Honest views please Many thanks Jamie
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| Not quite sure what you're after, Jamie, but you're welcome to my opinion. I'm not interested in buying any 125cc bikes for myself, so don't have any particular axe to grind on that. However, I wouldn't, in all honesty, recommend any Chinese-made bike to anyone unless they're absolutely strapped for cash - there would have to be a comprehensive warranty and spares network to back up the initial sales and, preferably, some sort of data on reliability to change my mind on that. So far, I've not been terribly impressed by the build quality and durability of any of the Chinese imports I've seen. Plus, "Shinetime" is a particularly unfortunate choice for a bike name - hope that's before rebranding? That said, the 'crosser style bike looks all right; it does have a resemblance to the KTM SX series, from what I can make out. If the price was particularly reasonable, I'm sure it could sell. I don't actually know anyone who owns or would consider owning a pit bike and, really, they are quite nasty-looking things. This one isn't any worse than any others, so, again, there may be a market for it. The issue with cheap imports, primarily, is lack of decent, readily-available information about them. If you're serious about selling them, something that could certainly make a difference to people's opinion is just knowing how to get parts - or which Honda spares will fit. All too often, you see questions on forums asking about obscure Chinese learner bikes and the best answer available is usually "it looks a bit like a CG125, try getting some pattern Honda parts". Crack that and you'd be quite some way towards changing my mind.
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| thanks mate, iv got things to think about their, wot do you mean about shinetime? bad good? Jamie 
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| I can only really echo the comments made by Endo man. The bikes look OK from the pictures, but they don't stand out from the rest of the Chinese import crowd, there doesn't seem to be anything unique or exclusive about them, this is not neccesarily a bad thing as potential purchasers are often put off by quirkiness, innovation or uniquity, preferring the safe option that they recognize. In their favour is the name Zongshen, they are a relatively well known name, partly helped by a huge budget effort in the world endurance series a few years back with Warwick Nowland riding for them I believe, (though actually the bike campaigned was a Suzuki GSXR1000 and not a Zongshen product) they are also collaborating with other factories to produce a bike designed to really attack the Japanese dominance of the market, (see pic), if it looks like the pic and is priced well it should sell ok The problem you will encounter I should imagine, is a cheap manufacturing process that will result in breakdowns and problems, which I would assume by law you will have to honour under warranty, thus costing you money, and be assured there is nothing that customers hate more than splashing out on a shiny toy, encountering a problem (therefore introducing disapointment) and then finding that they can't have their bike fixed for X days/weeks because parts are unavailable. I used to work in a motorcycle dealer selling accessories etc during the boom mini moto years and the amount of people who came in asking for help was amazing. The general story was, 'I've bought a mini bike, It's broken down, can you help'? When asked what make, model it was, where it was bought, what the part required was etc the usual story was 'dunno mate', it turned out that they had been bought for 200 quid or some rediculous amount of money and the expectation was that they would have the longevity of a Blata or Honda (£1,000+) and any bike shop could easily get parts, when in reality, the original vendor didn't give a monkey's and parts weren't available, You get what you pay for etc. The Chinese have a long way to go to convince the motorcycling public that their products have value, credibility, longevity, desirability and reliability. Keep shit loads of spares in stock is my advice I wish you all the best with your business chap but I don't think it's as sweet as it probably looks on paper. Just look after your customers mate, that's the key I think
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Re: the brand name.
Whether we like it or not, there's a lot of image-consciousness about names, particularly with vehicles. If it's not an already-famous logo on the tank, it needs to have a strong sense of identity for your target demographics. "Shinetime" doesn't really do that, for me, anyway - it sounds more like a cleaning product than a motorcycle - or something that might have been badly translated from the original Chinese. Given that people are naturally suspicious of the import market, I would say that it's quite important to avoid inadvertently creating the impression that it's any kind of a cheap novelty product.I've never been that concerned about branding, but if I were to go back to my teenage years, impressing my mates with my new learner bike, I'd want it to be called something cool and hard-sounding: some sort of venomous reptile or whatever. Wouldn't matter that it was basically a weedy 125 as long as it carried some of that biker outlaw chic! The original Chinese name might be quite cool, if they're actually badged as Zongshen, for example: as hoov says, at least people have heard of them. Or if you just gave it something like a Japanese Kanji logo, that'd be quite distinctive. Bottom line, though, is that people are usually more comfortable with something that a purposeful name, preferably one that sums up what the thing does (or would like to do!).
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