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Posted 17th February 2008 19:02
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I 1st took my test on a Mobbylette moped, one of two my parents owned. Dad had bought both in the hope my mother would surely find some form of balance and that they would ride off into the sunset together (Well off to Tescos possibly anyway) I desperately wanted to pass so that I could take my then girlfriend Sharon on the back. (Dads had a duel seat) Pass cert in hand and duly sent off to her majesty’s gov. we went on holls to Hastings on it. Great downhill with the wind behind at some 50mph 2 up with some luggage! A bad uphill was another story with Sharon sometimes having to get off or I would have to resort to a lot of peddle power! Yes it had peddles unlike the mopeds/scooters now. No electric start but put it on it’s stand and peddle for all your worth with the throttle grip in the start position or push it along running by it’s side until

It fired upan jump on.

On the way to Hastings I had to fill it up with 2 stroke oil and petrol separately, ended up pushing the damn thing for awhile trying to mix the mixture as the oil had gone down to the carb before any petrol. Sharon was not impressed.  Thank god it was a sunny day. That Moped served us well and saw us being able to get out and about and me finding out that I really did enjoy being on a bike.

 

My 1st bike real and proper was bought by my Dad for me when I turned 17 and it was a 750 Norton Atlas, a bike of some presence with a huge metallic blue petrol tank, we added to it a newly purchased Palma child/adult sidecar that Dad insisted should be on the side of it and also a huge white fiberglass and clear plastic screen which the headlight was re-fitted into and it not only protected you from the wind but also acted as a sail when the wind blew from behind, lastly a chrome crash bar bought for the right hand side and it was all put together by the dealer, a huge dealership known as Pride and Clarke which seemed to own half a street in Stockwell south London during the 60’s/70’s. They were a main dealer for some bike that I can’t remember and on top of that they had a car franchise and a huge spares dept. with all sorts of goodies kept in stock for the second-hand bikes they sold. Around the corner a short walk away was Guss Khun’s  (I think that’s how it was spelt ) and they sold thorough bred race bikes. All shinny with full fairings, a little strange in the 70’s to see these bikes on the road as oppose to the naked bikes that could be seen everywhere.

 

Dad bless him, took me to a training/driving ground in Harrow where on a private piece of land was a road layout with hill start, lights, roundabouts and crossroads, I rode the outfit round and round all afternoon until it gave up on me for some unknown reason. Dad, (bless him LOL) had to go back to our house in Mill Hill and fetch his car to tow the outfit back having ridden it to the ground himself with me in the sidecar. He loved being back on an outfit again. (He had an Enfield with sidecar just after the war himself)

 

My 1st crash was being towed LOL back from Harrow! Dad, (bless him LOL) took a left hand turn too fast for me to keep the sidecar down on the ground and whilst he went left the outfit, with me went straight on with the sidecar up in the air! I hit the rear of a car and nearly took out my leg on his bumper. Dad was upset that I had done it and took the blame saying he had not realized I could not keep the bike straight and sidecar on the road. He duly gave the other car driver some dosh and we got the unit home. Can’t remember who fixed the Atlas or why it had gone wrong in the 1st place (Electrical I think) but it was and I got out on the road proper with my provisional tucked in my pocket and proper insurance too.

 

Friends between them owned various bikes. A  BSA Goldstar, a BSA Bantum 125, a Matchless with sidecar/block of flats attached, one of the 1st mass jap bikes a RD 250 Yamaha and a very nice 750 Norton Commando which I loved and wanted. The block of flats attached to the Matchless was a huge unit made from plywood and sheet aluminum and painted maroon and black, it easily sat two with the front seat folding forward like a 2 door cars does to let the rear passenger in to the back. Both seats were wide and very car like and so was the door into the unit. My Palma child adult had a flip-top design and one had to climb over the side to get in, it was also impossible for an adult to sit comfortably in the back. It did however have the advantage of a canvas style top which could be taken off when the sun shone unlike my friend’s block of flats that had a solid aluminum clad wooden one. Another nice thing about the

 

The Atlas took me on my 1st major journey on a proper bike, well it seemed major at the time as I was still on a provisional license and had to use back road A routes to Leeds from London Mill Hill. Went up to watch some friends swim in the nationals, I was supposed to be in them myself but had discovered girls and bikes and party’s so had just given up swimming competitively. We (A friend and myself) loaded up the outfit and had a great journey up there without a single hitch, the friend being the Matchless owner liked my outfit and sat pillion with our gear in the sidecar, his unit being as often was off the road for repairs.

 

So a good journey up but coming home down various roads and onto the A5 coming through Dunstable my Atlas decided it no longer wanted to play ball and the right hand  piston rod broke putting a hole in the piston itself and sending a substantial amount of metal around the engine, one piece of which forced out the plug spewing oil out over my right leg. What could we do. stuffed the hole with a piece of rag,  It was still running and with a little persuasion and a lot of coxing we pressed on stopping only when we really, really had to. Very lucky not to have any major hills to climb the mighty Atlas plodded on on one cylinder popping for all it was worth the last 20 miles.You can imagine the damage caused by still riding it home but I did not have AA or RAC cover so I just had to get home anyway I could. Carrying spare oil was always a good idea on older bikes and this came in real handy on this occasion.

 

Well it took a great deal of time and effort to fix it but it was done and it led to my 1st total rebuild of an engine. The only bit that did not need some attention was the bottom end casing. Everything other than that was either replaced, rebuilt with new or rebored and lined and shimed, including a secondhand head from a Commando which I had new valves added and new seats ground in with new springs etc. so it was like new too. It started up a little out of tune but never the less it started, Took it to a local garage who played with the carbs for me and got it to bun smoothly (Well as smoothly as an Atlas could).

 

I loved this bike and it only went when I finally took and passed my test and traded it in for my 1st solo! That’s another story.

Don't slide unless you mean too.

Be sure, ride safe and enjoy

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Posted 17th February 2008 20:44


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Excellent story Rebelman

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Posted 18th February 2008 19:18


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Yes, great tale! I've done many similar things myself, but if my kids got up to this kind of stunt today, I'd be horrified.

Good times, when the law was a policeman with a sense of humour and a bit of discretion, rather than an all-seeing eye with a hunger for your cash.

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Posted 18th February 2008 23:32
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I did miss out a little bit that should have read----------Another good thing about the Palma Child/Adult sidecar was the Chromed and black scafold bar that went all the way around it making the occupants feel safe. It was also a good place to hang another headlight from.

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Posted 19th February 2008 09:43


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Great tale monsieur, I'm amazed that the Atlas got home with a snapped con rod and holed piston as well as a hole in the head. Bit of oily rag and some true British grit to get home, I bet that wouldn't be possible on a modern bike... Or has it been done? Anyone.....?

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Posted 19th February 2008 12:21


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I seriously doubt they'd cope. Modern engines are nowhere near as strongly built as they used to be.

The car in front, is now behind!
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Posted 19th February 2008 13:18
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I seem to remmeber we did it in 2nd gear to keep up the revs and stop the one cylinder from dying on us , when it did die (At lights we did have to stop) Roger and I had to push it and jump on when running/bumped. Get the thing going as it did not have enough strength to pull away but once on the move it just plodded. My mother was more upset about the state of my Levi's when I got home LOL Dad (Bless him) was near to tears with a what the hell have you done to the poor thing now look followed closely by a quizing. One last thing about the whole adventure was that from Dunstable down to Mill Hill is thankfully a flatish road or downhills only. The only place the bike would not get up was the Close where I lived (Grants Close) and we had to push it up to my parents Bungalow. (Sure looked stupid with the black leather Lightning jacket and Guardsman Black lid pushing the bike)

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Posted 19th February 2008 20:58


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Ems (19/02/2008)
I seriously doubt they'd cope. Modern engines are nowhere near as strongly built as they used to be.


It depends on what you mean by "strong". Modern engines are many times more reliable, have much higher power output for any given size, need less frequent and simpler servicing, and if treated properly will go on almost for ever. I've seen 100k+ mile engines (Jap fours usually) that have been dismantled and are like new inside, all just with regular servicing and oil changes. That's a strong engine in my book.

I think when you say "strong", you mean "massively over-engineered". Back in the day, the metallurgy and production methods available meant that for an engine to be durable it had to be heavy and robust. There was a huge weight penalty, and the engines weren't all that reliable. The ones that were reliable had generally been serviced very often (sometimes as frequently as every 1000 miles) and had a top-end rebuild every 20k miles. No modern rider would tolerate that amount of tender loving care to keep his/her steed on the road.

Modern engines may not be able to keep going when almost destroyed by a mechanical failure, but the irony is that they tend not need to, as they just keep going.

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I seriously doubt they'd cope. Modern engines are nowhere near as strongly built as they used to be.

Hey Ems take a look at the modern Kwaks..... nowhere near as strong ??? AND what about the suzuki GSX' s ????

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Posted 22nd February 2008 00:21


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It's not really a question of sheer engine strength, however you measure it, in this instance. Modern engines are significantly less prone to abrupt and catastrophic failure: journos usually prefer the word 'unburstable'. They're also a lot more technical, complex and compact and hence can't survive that sort of damage in the same way as a simpler design. If you were unlucky enough to have a chunk of engine exit via the crankcases on a modern bike, you wouldn't be bodging it back together with gaffa tape and sticks and riding home: you'd be sitting by the roadside while any one of a dozen different sensors refused to let the ignition even turn the remains of the motor over (unless you're on a full-factory Dakar replica, in which case it'll probably be fine!).

So the answer to the original question, I reckon, is "almost certainly not".

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